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Posted: 21 October 2008 at 16:48 | IP Logged Quote Sidestepping?


Check out this guy's barrier technique. I call it the "Closeout to sidestep...whoops!...I cheated! Oh well, hopefully none of these hundreds of spectators call me out. I think I'll just move along to my well deserved podium finish..."

http://flickr.com/photos/ujelang/2959936063/sizes/o/in/photo stream/

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Posted: 21 October 2008 at 16:55 | IP Logged Quote the dude

It looks to me like he was a lapped rider getting out of the way.  beleive that is Sean Babcock and Erik Tonkin right in front of him, they finished 2nd and 3rd. I think it's actually a pretty sportsman move, no to mention smart to aoid having to hit the whole six pack.

 

Speaking of the six-pack, who was the drunken idiot that laid them out? The spacing seemed way out of wack and uneven. They plain out sucked. 

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Posted: 21 October 2008 at 17:08 | IP Logged Quote Sidestepping?

Not so much the dude.

http://app.obra.org/results/event/13310

Not lap traffic as you suggest. See the third number from top and then look again at picture.


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Posted: 21 October 2008 at 18:13 | IP Logged Quote killerb

that is definately race number 101 or 3rd place. I would say that is a DQ. I have noticed in a couple races this year that some A racers like to go outside the cones for a better line. Now I am only in my 2nd year of cross and I stay inside the cones but if they can chose a better line outside the cones maybe we all should.
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Posted: 21 October 2008 at 20:31 | IP Logged Quote magpiepdx

yup. if that pic extended just a little further to the right, youd see me in there, expressing alarm at this little maneuver. couldnt see his number from there, but me and bunch of other people on the non-number side of this guy saw this, and it got the "WTF?" from us at the time. didnt realize it was someone so well placed! hmmmm... not like thats going to win or lose you a top ranking, but its not kosher.

as for the six-pack... i say it ruled, wonky spacing or not. i didnt think it was too irregular, but i was certainly a bit irregular after about the 4th barrier. and drunken idiot who laid it out? ITS A SIX-PACK! :) i vote for making the spacing totally uneven, but then, i root for anything that makes me suffer more in cx.


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Posted: 21 October 2008 at 21:37 | IP Logged Quote coylifut

c'mon now, we've covered this before. cones are merely a suggested route.
if the crusade course designers really wanted you to stay within a prescribed
boundary, they'd line the course with tape.

cones = suggested route
tape = strongly suggested route
snow fencing = very strongly suggested route
chain link fence = mandatory route
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Posted: 21 October 2008 at 22:05 | IP Logged Quote upsman1000

A cone would be one thing, but I would have to argue that you must clear
the barriers, rather than look for a suggested route!

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Posted: 21 October 2008 at 22:55 | IP Logged Quote ujelang

"c'mon now, we've covered this before. cones are merely a suggested route."  hhhmmmm, that's not what we're told at the beginning of every race.  I think I hear the announcement that we must cross over every barrier - not go around it...  gee, if the cones are just 'suggested' routes then what's to prohibit us from really cutting corners?!
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Posted: 21 October 2008 at 23:28 | IP Logged Quote magpiepdx

and if you check out the rest of the sequence on flickr, youll notice he was outside the barrier for pretty much the whole six-pack. hopped the far left edge of the first one, and then...

if only hed been off to the right, maybe him and the guinness guy could have had a meeting of minds...


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Posted: 21 October 2008 at 23:49 | IP Logged Quote SeattleCrosser

Speaking from a non biased point of view, you'll notice in the sequence of
photos that That Mean Kona Rider runs a hard angle right to left and forces
his shop team rider to the right and said rider outiside the barriers.

I believe if Mr Tonkin had an issue with this rmanouver He would have
brought it to young Ryan's attention

Besides, he was within the cones, Tape the barrier sections if you want to
keep them inside
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Posted: 21 October 2008 at 23:58 | IP Logged Quote CXBarrier

Yeah, can't you Southerners run straight? How drunk was
the person that setup that 6-pack .

BTW: Have you seen the Grail? It's marvelous.
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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 00:20 | IP Logged Quote DPCX

I've seen the Grail......

http://pjbentson.smugmug.com/gallery/6230535_q9eWD#393339780 _vt6gE

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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 11:21 | IP Logged Quote the dude

Sorry but I have a hard time beleiving 101 was really third. For one, in this picture Tonkin passed him, but in the results Tonkin is two spots behind? I think there may be an error in the results. If you click on 101 he is not normally a podium finisher. But then again, I don't know him from Adam so if I am way off, I apologize, but since he is running outside the barriers, if he wasn't lapped traffic the screw that latte sippin pufter and DQ him.
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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 11:53 | IP Logged Quote Candibike

101 was within 2 riders of Tonkin the entire race until lap 7 when he passed him.
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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 12:13 | IP Logged Quote neutralwrench

I was working in the pit for my master A riders, on the last lap Tonkin flated just after passing the pit for the first time and rode the rest of the lap with a flat rear tire.

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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 12:28 | IP Logged Quote the dude

I stand mistaken, I just looked at some Seattle results for comparison and he was 2nd at Evergreen. Maybe his problem is that he is only used to 2 barriers in Seattle and must have thought that it was riders choice to only go over 2 of the six barriers.

But seriously, why in the world would you skip a barrier infront of all the crowds? If you want to cheat skip the barrier in the field where no one will see. Either this guy is an idiot (he is from Seattle), or something else was going on here.

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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 13:06 | IP Logged Quote DPCX

Are you people blind?? You can clearly see in the sequence shot that Tonkin ran a straight line from left to right & foced Babcock to move left (even though the six pack was curved to the right & going into a left hand corner, did that make sense?). This forced Ryan to move left even further. Going balls out into a set of barriers let alone six of them, you dont have much time to think. Do you wanna rub elbows & risk the chance of going down on one of those things? I dont think so. You just react on instict & move out of the way. Tonkin looks like he had the lead of these three right here & the right of way. Pretty brilliant move by the caveman if you ask me. Had the course been taped & staked Ryan would have had to pretty much stop & change his line. Its not like he passed them here.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ujelang/2959936219/in/set-72157 608200690892/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ujelang/2959936211/in/set-72157 608200690892/

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ujelang/2959936063/in/set-72157 608200690892/

Vervecken once commented on the courses we had here in the NW (Jackson & Steilacoom) & said he thougt they were great, even WC potential. However, in Europe they would have just rode around the planks if they werent taped off. Something to that affect. I know the cones are sort of tradition in the Cross Crusade but with the crowds you guys are getting maybe its time to buy some tape & stakes. Everytime I've raced down there I always see people cutting the cones. My 02. cents.

 

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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 13:12 | IP Logged Quote DPCX

DPCX wrote:
You can clearly see in the sequence shot that Tonkin ran a straight line from left to right

 

Dammit! now I'm drunk. I meant right to left...sorry.

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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 13:23 | IP Logged Quote Blue Lizard

You people have the listening skills of a chihuahua.

At the start of each racer, one of our lovely organizers
ALWAYS announces, "you must cross over all obstacles and
barriers...including your bike."

Routes with cones are not optional.
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Posted: 22 October 2008 at 13:29 | IP Logged Quote MajorNelson

What those photos also show is the Seattle rider "STARTED" out side the barriers and never even tried to go over them.

As for running right to left, all Tonkin tried to do was close the door on his S&M compatriot coming into the remount.  Something any crosser would do if they had a half step advantage. I would venture a guess he never saw Ryan since he avoided the barriers completely.

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